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ladies gentlemen welcome to the next in

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our webinar series i'm andy burnett and

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one of the people who've been involved

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in facilitating the overall strategy

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development process this webinar is

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going to give us an update on what's

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been happening since the Wallops Island

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workshop and also talk about what we're

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going to be doing over the coming weeks

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and months I want to pass over to

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Michael new just remember to to set some

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context and then we'll go through Frank

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and Eric and come back to Michael so

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Michael so good afternoon good morning I

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don't think it's good evening for

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anybody but it is so what we're going to

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be talking about today is a recap first

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of how we got to where we are and that

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Frank Rosen's like is going to be doing

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for us then Eric Smith is going to be

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telling everybody a little bit about how

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we think the various concepts that came

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out of the Wallops workshop fit together

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it's one way they kept it together then

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I'll tell you a little bit about where

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we're going from here you basically have

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a big push up to the Wallops Island

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workshop and now things that sort of

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trickled off for a while but we're

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restarting now and we're making another

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portion now for putting this all

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together so I thank everybody for their

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hard work leading up to this and I thank

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you Vance for the hard work that you're

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going to be doing and I I turn it over

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to Frank I yes tell us how we got where

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we are very good so am I on now is that

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ok very good alright so sort of

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humorously entitled my my 15 minutes

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here as welcome to our

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worlds and my past is to describe to you

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how we got to the point where we are now

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that's going to be sort of part one of

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the process and then part two Eric Smith

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will talk in greater detail about some

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of the concept papers that have emerged

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out of the out of the Wallops Island

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meeting and then Michael will tell us

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about the road ahead so let's see if I

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could manipulate this all right so what

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we're trying to do and some of you may

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have been involved in this process who

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are joining us today others may not but

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we're creating the roadmap for the new

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Astra by prateek plan and Michael and

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Mary Voight x gold the NASA Directorate

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was seeking really to engage the whole

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astrobiology community rather than just

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a group to produce a successor to the to

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the current grant so this is the agenda

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to look at the process to date talk

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about the concept documents and

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highlight the next steps so perhaps

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you've got to this webinar today by

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clicking on the HTTPS astrobiology

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future org this is in fact the gateway

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to to the process and so if you look

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down here you can see click here to join

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discussion I think that one thing that

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has been strongly encouraged by the NASA

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Directorate from the get-go is is that

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this is really a grassroots effort so a

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bit of a background the exobiology

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program is you may or may not know has

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passed its 50th anniversary and it grew

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over the years into the astrobiology

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program this program aimed at

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understanding the origin evolution

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cosmos so there were previous road maps

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that were created in 98 and 2003 with

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kind of a reality check in 2008 and that

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reality check resulted in a paper by de

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maría and knew that al published in

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astrobiology this was arrived at through

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a set of chaired workshops with writing

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assignments and results circulated and

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this focused paper has really served

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preparation of our grants for those of

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journal astrobiology we sort of have at

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least the people i know have kept the

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goals and tasks that were described in

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the 2008 roadmap firmly in mind and

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actually i think it served a really good

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purpose in terms of letting people know

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exactly what NASA's mission is the types

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of things that are funded and the goals

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that that we have as a community so the

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process then was somewhat a prescriptive

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elders if you will the process now is

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aimed at creating another decade old

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road map but the idea that NASA has now

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do to gain consensus to be inspirational

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as well as aspirational and this

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innovation which is a facilitation group

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grassroots effort is has advanced to a

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five webinars that many of you who are

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these webinars were five solar systems

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meeting and if you were I hope you enjoy

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crew took Michael and Mary invited over

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a hundred researchers all the people who

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outcome of the process was 23 excuse me

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to be made available online and then

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answering this question about what talk

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or seminar we would like to give her

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here in the next 10 years we put these

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these one pagers have evolved into a set

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of three page concept documents and so

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here is a low resolution version of a

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image that you will see in the

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succeeding presentations by Eric Smith

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and Michael new these are the concepts

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papers and of course you can't see

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anything in these ovals and rectangles

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but that will become better resolved in

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the next half an hour or so so in

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community effort this is the community

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the process to to weigh in in the next

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steps thank you because you haven't been

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a part of the process up until now does

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not mean that you cannot join to join

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the show for the next for the next

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several months so that concludes my

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presentation of the road mapping process

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and how we actually got to this point

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and then the eric smith from George

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Mason University will be next thank you

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very much lovely thank you Franklin I

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just spin briefly particularly for

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the support tab and we will sort out any

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you can be part of the conversation and

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the threads that emerge so with that

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part of this that I'm supposed to cover

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is uh the combination of the concept

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documents which I'll probably also slip

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and refer to as white papers and the

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network diagram that Frank just showed

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you as a kind of interface between

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what's been done up to this time and the

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next stage of the planning so this is

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kind of a snapshot of where we are now

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what you see in front of you right now

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is the blackboard where the no

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innovation guys had us or they produced

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these blue post-its each one of which

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corresponded roughly to one of the white

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papers that had been sketched or drafted

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at that

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and then the group was instructed to go

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to the whiteboard and put things that

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had some relation to each other in

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proximity and indicate where there

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seemed to be network relations among

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them then beyond that further comments

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were added in various little yellow

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stickies so for instance you may not be

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able to see we'll make this available in

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more resolution this bio sign for bio

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signature seems to have peppered the

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graph bio signature seemed to be a

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common theme in everything and you see

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that there was also some enthusiasm for

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links that these ideas had something to

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do with each other so the reason this

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was done is that the concept documents

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needed to be narrow enough that a

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coherent narrative could be spun around

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them that means at some level they

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needed to be what people know how to do

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now and what they think can be put

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forward as a plausible and you know

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possibly feasible research project on

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the time frame of 10 years that doesn't

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mean that they capture everything about

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the scope of ideas people had in mind so

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the blackboard sort of the proximity

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diagram putting things in the same place

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and then indicating where there were

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explicit links was an attempt to make it

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material that these concept documents

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exist in the context of both larger

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themes and larger communities so Michael

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this is the way the concept documents

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were related at the end of the meeting

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I'll move next to a graph which is a

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cleaned-up version of this this is a

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snapshot of where they were and June

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they've continued to change slightly

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there's been some merger of topics

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people who were not able to be present

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in person have added a couple of

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documents and Michael will show you how

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the network has been modified slightly

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since that time I'm going to refer to

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the June slot and I'll move you to to

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this network and we'll zoom in a little

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bit you won't be able to see all of this

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in full resolution but maybe you get

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enough to understand roughly what was

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there as the white papers roll out and

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you get to see the content at the end of

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each of the

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is the writers own idea of which other

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documents are linked so there are

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multiple representations of network

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connectivity that will be available as

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part of the content coming out of the

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meeting so let me zoom in a little bit

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and all kind of pan around I'll zoom out

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first yikes so this is kind of the scope

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of the whole network you can see that

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there are sooo two or three perhaps main

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theme areas that are kind of connected

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components I'll zoom in and I'll pan

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around a little bit to give you an idea

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what those were there's a kind of a big

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cluster here that has to do with the

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sequence from prebiotic to biotic

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chemistry that starts out on the top of

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with consideration of Astrophysical

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atmospheric or planetary or other body

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synthesis of small organics there's a

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cluster of papers in here that discuss

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what I would call the rise of

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hierarchical complexity and the

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functions associated with it all of this

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goes to a sort of emphasis on what can

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be done with reductive or synthetic

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methods so getting at a notion of what's

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the minimum to be alive feeding into

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that there was a thread on what we can

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do with historical reconstruction how

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much we can understand about minimality

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and retrace toward Aboriginal forms this

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will connect through the ubiquitous bio

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signatures stickies to an explicit paper

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on bio signatures now coming to a

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completely different thread the previous

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thread was basically chemistry and

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synthesis there's another collection up

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here this the sort of broad theme that

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participants chose here could be called

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complexification of the systems that

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come out of these components there's a

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cluster up here that's sort of

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explicitly biological can we talk about

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what are the rules of biogenesis what

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are the conditions for a thing to be

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alive is there a typology of biospheres

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that generalizes from the one that we

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know what do we know conceptually about

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the nature of evolutionary dynamics that

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tells us you know what we're looking for

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is the outcome

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of this process this all kind of feeds

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in there was a very healthy awareness

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that the biosphere needs to be

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understood as a component within an

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ongoing planetary dynamic process so

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there was discussion of the evolutionary

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dynamics not in a biological sense but

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just in a sense of unfolding of

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complexity of the planet both before and

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with the biosphere and also looking

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toward the future coming over to the

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side we talked about generalization from

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the life we know so there's a discussion

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of the formation of planets that are

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habitable or inhabited there were

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discussions of the criteria and also the

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techniques for exploration and then

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particularly what to look for in planets

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outside earth or outside the solar

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system so let me try to convey to you

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the sorts of things that we hope the

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concept documents and the network

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representation of them are meant to

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provide as an interface for discussion

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first questions to the community as you

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read through these and as you look is

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the research that you care about

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represented either within the scope of

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one of the concept documents or if not

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within a concept document at least

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within one of these network clusters so

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that there are things in proximity to it

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if what you care about is not well

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represented what needs to be added

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either by central theme or possibly a

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whole area that's underrepresented the

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proximity here doesn't only represent

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themes it also represents communities of

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people who should be in contact with

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each other the meeting was pretty

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diverse of and deep in a surprising you

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know surprisingly collect eclectic set

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of domains but it was a modest-sized

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sample from a large community are there

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other people we need to seek out are

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there people who don't even think of

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themselves as having content relative to

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this who need to be solicited the

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concept documents will be rolled out

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there will be webinars and discussions

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associated with each of them and then

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periods of content

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and methods for revision there's also

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been some possibility of putting the

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network itself out so that other

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comments on different arrangements

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different types of relations or linkages

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can also be collected so what you know

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what does the director wish to

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accomplish with this a theme that has

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been reiterated in both internal

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meetings and also the things that we

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were told at the conference is this

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roadmap is meant to inspire ideas and

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not just to list the ideas people

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already have so there's a healthy

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tension here between sort of explaining

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what we understand now and what we think

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we can do in 10 years but also allowing

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the roadmap to set long-range vision and

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to teach us to ask the questions that

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will give greater depth than just sort

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of the projects that are within easy

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reach here I'll interject a personal

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opinion astrobiology is naturally a very

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multidisciplinary field the emergence of

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life is a process in physical chemistry

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in a planetary context possibly a larger

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spatial context that led to all of the

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things that make up biology that means

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that it has meaningful content with a

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very large number of essentially

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essential in basic scientific fields we

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can be exposing frontiers in those

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fields and that seems a very healthy

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role for astrobiology as a community we

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can also think about seeding

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collaborations it's natural in the

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course of practical work to need certain

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things you know you need simplification

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if you're in the synthesis or the

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analysis business but if you're trying

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to reconstruct planetary histories they

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may tell you that more than a certain

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degree of simplicity is not realistic to

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what extent can these sort of

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conflicting needs be brought into a

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productive contact and how much will

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they teach us how to ask the technical

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questions that we don't know how to ask

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currently so that's another that's

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another kind of relationship that the

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network can stand for if you use it if

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we use it well so I was encouraged to

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sort of put out my own views for things

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that can be done not be

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because they're special but to just kind

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00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:18,159
of give an idea of what the roadmap can

554
00:28:21,209 --> 00:28:20,049
provide an interface for doing what the

555
00:28:23,729 --> 00:28:21,219
what the network can provide an

556
00:28:25,499 --> 00:28:23,739
interface for doing first of all there's

557
00:28:27,209 --> 00:28:25,509
not just one network there are many

558
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:27,219
networks as viewed by many different

559
00:28:31,349 --> 00:28:29,289
people and communities we're not limited

560
00:28:33,629 --> 00:28:31,359
to paper anymore we have computers we

561
00:28:35,339 --> 00:28:33,639
can keep all of this we can try to do

562
00:28:38,879 --> 00:28:35,349
statistics on it to find out who's out

563
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:38,889
and who cares about what as you read the

564
00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:41,679
position papers I hope that you will be

565
00:28:46,709 --> 00:28:44,200
impressed with the amazing amount of

566
00:28:48,450 --> 00:28:46,719
topical depth that's in them my

567
00:28:50,909 --> 00:28:48,460
experience in this community doesn't go

568
00:28:52,979 --> 00:28:50,919
far enough back to know what was present

569
00:28:56,190 --> 00:28:52,989
in informal discussion 10 or 20 years

570
00:28:57,839 --> 00:28:56,200
ago but I was amazed at the range of

571
00:29:00,869 --> 00:28:57,849
thoughtful questions that are contained

572
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,879
in this even so there are certain things

573
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:02,559
that perhaps have been opened in this

574
00:29:06,209 --> 00:29:04,210
discussion that we want to amplify her

575
00:29:08,639 --> 00:29:06,219
that we want to make real priorities or

576
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:08,649
possibly other things that we think can

577
00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:11,049
be solicited beyond what's been done so

578
00:29:15,089 --> 00:29:12,849
you know I'm painfully aware of how

579
00:29:17,070 --> 00:29:15,099
little of what's in this network I have

580
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:17,080
any ability to understand or to speak to

581
00:29:21,089 --> 00:29:19,089
so this will reflect the areas where I

582
00:29:23,459 --> 00:29:21,099
have some exposure and the hope is that

583
00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:23,469
the community will fill this out with

584
00:29:28,409 --> 00:29:26,409
everything we want in it so first what

585
00:29:31,349 --> 00:29:28,419
collaborations have already been opened

586
00:29:33,479 --> 00:29:31,359
but maybe can be strengthened I was

587
00:29:35,219 --> 00:29:33,489
impressed with the webinars running up

588
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:35,229
to the meeting and even more with what's

589
00:29:39,089 --> 00:29:37,210
in the concept documents that there

590
00:29:41,219 --> 00:29:39,099
seems to be a change in the discussion

591
00:29:42,989 --> 00:29:41,229
in this cycle from what I have seen in

592
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:42,999
previous discussions and literature

593
00:29:47,609 --> 00:29:45,279
there's much more consideration of

594
00:29:49,259 --> 00:29:47,619
molecular heterogeneity we have some

595
00:29:51,479 --> 00:29:49,269
experience with individual molecule

596
00:29:53,219 --> 00:29:51,489
classes but people are now trying to

597
00:29:55,289 --> 00:29:53,229
seriously figure out what happens when

598
00:29:56,539 --> 00:29:55,299
you can't exclude any molecule class and

599
00:29:59,849 --> 00:29:56,549
you have to deal with all of them

600
00:30:01,979 --> 00:29:59,859
there's much more sense that ecosystems

601
00:30:03,959 --> 00:30:01,989
can control dynamics and that we may not

602
00:30:06,899 --> 00:30:03,969
always want to use the organism or the

603
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:06,909
species as a model for evolution but

604
00:30:09,899 --> 00:30:08,529
instead we want to understand what types

605
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:09,909
of dynamics are inherent in the

606
00:30:15,389 --> 00:30:12,369
ecosystem overall there seems to have

607
00:30:18,180 --> 00:30:15,399
been a tendency in these discussions to

608
00:30:20,099 --> 00:30:18,190
think about heterogeneous systems with

609
00:30:22,589 --> 00:30:20,109
lots of small and sometimes ad-hoc

610
00:30:25,229 --> 00:30:22,599
recruited components that wind up

611
00:30:25,950 --> 00:30:25,239
generating a robust structure this seems

612
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:25,960
to me

613
00:30:29,940 --> 00:30:28,090
tremely healthy and very exciting it

614
00:30:32,159 --> 00:30:29,950
also seems to me like the kind of

615
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:32,169
discussions the systems biology has been

616
00:30:37,139 --> 00:30:34,720
led into we once had a simple view of

617
00:30:39,570 --> 00:30:37,149
RNA we now realize that all living

618
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:39,580
systems or RNA regulated machines in

619
00:30:44,820 --> 00:30:41,890
which DNA and proteins have sort of

620
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:44,830
specialized roles can we tie into that

621
00:30:49,710 --> 00:30:47,529
discussion better macro ecology is

622
00:30:51,779 --> 00:30:49,720
recognizing the dynamics of ecosystems

623
00:30:53,070 --> 00:30:51,789
and of course in evolutionary biology

624
00:30:54,990 --> 00:30:53,080
there's a wealth of thinking about

625
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:55,000
structure and the way structure is used

626
00:31:00,289 --> 00:30:57,610
to create whole domains of dynamics

627
00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:00,299
those seem to be communities with which

628
00:31:05,159 --> 00:31:02,559
collaboration is very natural and a good

629
00:31:07,620 --> 00:31:05,169
thing to develop that's in the documents

630
00:31:09,450 --> 00:31:07,630
already it's a thing we can think about

631
00:31:11,970 --> 00:31:09,460
whether we want to even more actively

632
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:11,980
solicit another thing that I thought was

633
00:31:17,250 --> 00:31:14,640
great in going through in this cycle

634
00:31:19,529 --> 00:31:17,260
there are naive views of Darwinian

635
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:19,539
dynamics which sort of take

636
00:31:22,860 --> 00:31:21,279
individuality for granted as the

637
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:22,870
platform on which competition and

638
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:25,210
replication and selection occur but

639
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:26,710
there's also the awareness that

640
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:28,809
individuality is a complicated notion

641
00:31:32,669 --> 00:31:30,370
that's constructive and that has to be

642
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:32,679
understood that's actually been

643
00:31:35,850 --> 00:31:34,090
discussed this is a thing that's

644
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:35,860
starting to flower in evolution of

645
00:31:40,740 --> 00:31:37,330
development and in sort of a bigger

646
00:31:42,990 --> 00:31:40,750
merger of ecology evolution and

647
00:31:46,350 --> 00:31:43,000
development and somewhere in here in the

648
00:31:47,850 --> 00:31:46,360
middle of the graph I would say this

649
00:31:51,419 --> 00:31:47,860
thing that has been tongue-in-cheek

650
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,429
called goe goe evo-devo recognizing that

651
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:53,440
life is also part of a planetary process

652
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:55,600
that's kind of a center of mass that

653
00:31:59,490 --> 00:31:57,490
links several different white papers in

654
00:32:00,750 --> 00:31:59,500
this area that's another thing that

655
00:32:06,269 --> 00:32:00,760
personally I have a lot of enthusiasm

656
00:32:09,180 --> 00:32:06,279
for um areas that I think good as it was

657
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:09,190
the meeting did not yet plum as fully as

658
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:12,370
it might I think in chemistry and

659
00:32:17,130 --> 00:32:14,559
molecular biology we're seeing sort of

660
00:32:20,370 --> 00:32:17,140
cut from the whole cloth very

661
00:32:22,409 --> 00:32:20,380
sophisticated characterization of the

662
00:32:24,510 --> 00:32:22,419
kinds of dynamical order that can form

663
00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:24,520
in complex state spaces state spaces

664
00:32:30,210 --> 00:32:26,710
that involve chemical complexity and

665
00:32:31,980 --> 00:32:30,220
organic chemistry in mineralogy and then

666
00:32:34,529 --> 00:32:31,990
the heterogeneous components that wind

667
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:34,539
up making up cellular systems now in

668
00:32:37,470 --> 00:32:36,399
parallel with this and not in much

669
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:37,480
contact with

670
00:32:42,090 --> 00:32:39,760
non-equilibrium statistical mechanics

671
00:32:44,580 --> 00:32:42,100
has been making great strides and

672
00:32:46,340 --> 00:32:44,590
actually clarifying the concepts for

673
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:46,350
what non-equilibrium order means

674
00:32:51,299 --> 00:32:48,970
interestingly enough most of that work

675
00:32:54,060 --> 00:32:51,309
that's devoted to concepts has used

676
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:54,070
systems with relatively simple low-level

677
00:32:59,210 --> 00:32:56,650
micro structure seems to me that

678
00:33:01,530 --> 00:32:59,220
astrobiology is the fertile ground for

679
00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:01,540
bringing in the problem of dynamical

680
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:02,710
order and non-equilibrium statistical

681
00:33:08,340 --> 00:33:05,710
mechanics when the basic state space is

682
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:08,350
complicated so that's an that's a

683
00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:09,970
conversation I would love to see opened

684
00:33:14,580 --> 00:33:11,950
there are people in the community doing

685
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:14,590
this already it does not seem to me that

686
00:33:18,539 --> 00:33:16,210
it's presently a front and center

687
00:33:20,610 --> 00:33:18,549
awareness within physics maybe we could

688
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:20,620
make it one another thing that was

689
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:23,410
discussed that you can see on the

690
00:33:26,730 --> 00:33:25,210
previous slide there's always the

691
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:26,740
question of what's the appropriate role

692
00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:29,679
of theory you know every biologist can

693
00:33:33,270 --> 00:33:31,510
give you an example where theoreticians

694
00:33:35,159 --> 00:33:33,280
had grand aims and then didn't do a very

695
00:33:37,650 --> 00:33:35,169
good job dealing with the complexity of

696
00:33:38,850 --> 00:33:37,660
mechanism and as a result of that the

697
00:33:40,740 --> 00:33:38,860
role of theory has kind of been

698
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:40,750
attenuated in a lot of these discussions

699
00:33:44,820 --> 00:33:42,880
but we're getting to the point where

700
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:44,830
system characterization is sophisticated

701
00:33:50,610 --> 00:33:48,610
enough and rich enough that we have good

702
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:50,620
descriptions of mechanism and also of

703
00:33:54,450 --> 00:33:52,210
the concepts that are coming out and now

704
00:33:56,940 --> 00:33:54,460
we're starting to face the problem of

705
00:33:59,640 --> 00:33:56,950
navigating this complexity perhaps that

706
00:34:01,890 --> 00:33:59,650
defines one role for theory probably not

707
00:34:03,690 --> 00:34:01,900
the only one maybe the theory we need

708
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:03,700
will be different from what has existed

709
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:06,640
in the past I'm enthusiastic for a

710
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:09,490
larger role for computation as its own

711
00:34:13,409 --> 00:34:11,649
scientific discipline complexity of

712
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:13,419
algorithms what's solvable what's not

713
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:16,240
solvable as a part in this discussion so

714
00:34:19,290 --> 00:34:17,440
that's a community that I would have

715
00:34:22,830 --> 00:34:19,300
enthusiasm for bringing in and engaging

716
00:34:24,450 --> 00:34:22,840
of as the discussion goes on so at this

717
00:34:25,740 --> 00:34:24,460
point let me turn it over to Michael to

718
00:34:27,240 --> 00:34:25,750
tell you where we're going and also

719
00:34:29,220 --> 00:34:27,250
update beyond what I could show you as

720
00:34:31,230 --> 00:34:29,230
of the end of June Thanks actually

721
00:34:33,690 --> 00:34:31,240
Michael Mayer just interject for a

722
00:34:35,820 --> 00:34:33,700
moment because of a couple of questions

723
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:35,830
are being asked in the chat room just to

724
00:34:41,310 --> 00:34:38,649
be clear the slide packs for all three

725
00:34:44,190 --> 00:34:41,320
presenters and now on the front page

726
00:34:48,750 --> 00:34:44,200
they're linked on the front page of the

727
00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:48,760
website and each of the slide packs has

728
00:34:53,810 --> 00:34:51,600
part of the discussion threat

729
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:53,820
now particularly with the presentation

730
00:35:01,130 --> 00:34:57,290
of eric has just given we'd asked him to

731
00:35:05,060 --> 00:35:01,140
to give an overview of the way the

732
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:05,070
network came together and and I just

733
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:07,170
wanted went clear we're not in any way

734
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:11,370
asking him to defend any particular

735
00:35:16,340 --> 00:35:13,370
structure within the net words he is a

736
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,350
participant in it and has interested

737
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:18,960
views but I encourage everyone both the

738
00:35:23,180 --> 00:35:20,880
people who work at Wallops them were

739
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:23,190
involved in meeting the network and

740
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:25,290
anyone else who's looking at it now to

741
00:35:29,630 --> 00:35:27,090
sort of get involved in the discussion

742
00:35:32,570 --> 00:35:29,640
I'm sure Eric will join in on that but

743
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:32,580
but it's not his network and I just

744
00:35:37,610 --> 00:35:34,560
wanted to make sure everyone is clear on

745
00:35:39,710 --> 00:35:37,620
that also for people who are adding

746
00:35:43,970 --> 00:35:39,720
comments in the chat window that's great

747
00:35:46,070 --> 00:35:43,980
and if you could start the threads on

748
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:46,080
the website as well that will probably

749
00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:48,930
give us a great way to involve a wider

750
00:35:56,270 --> 00:35:51,300
range in the community and with that

751
00:36:00,050 --> 00:35:56,280
Michael Oh somewhere I should ever since

752
00:36:04,580 --> 00:36:00,060
lives somewhere somewhere there will be

753
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:04,590
some slides Mike slide actually didn't

754
00:36:09,890 --> 00:36:06,330
receive it sorry about that can you

755
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:09,900
share your screen Michael uh yeah I can

756
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:12,210
share my screen hang on everybody see

757
00:36:21,110 --> 00:36:18,810
that now yep great so I can't see the

758
00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:21,120
chat window really 20 so if somebody has

759
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:22,710
a question somebody else is going to

760
00:36:27,020 --> 00:36:23,910
have to tell me that they have questions

761
00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:27,030
we can relate it to you thank you so I'm

762
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:28,740
here to wrap it up and say where we're

763
00:36:32,540 --> 00:36:30,090
going to from here and how we're going

764
00:36:35,810 --> 00:36:32,550
to get there first I really want to

765
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,820
thank Frank and an Eric for presenting

766
00:36:39,860 --> 00:36:37,920
today they didn't have to do it we kind

767
00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:39,870
of we asked them and they did a great

768
00:36:46,220 --> 00:36:44,280
job and it was from really goodness of

769
00:36:47,590 --> 00:36:46,230
their hearts to do this and I really do

770
00:36:51,050 --> 00:36:47,600
think that we're doing a wonderful job

771
00:36:53,210 --> 00:36:51,060
um to the way forward so now we've got

772
00:36:56,330 --> 00:36:53,220
to set of concept documents it covers

773
00:36:58,460 --> 00:36:56,340
some hopefully much of astrobiology and

774
00:37:02,010 --> 00:36:58,470
we'd like to bring the back the broad

775
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:02,020
community is back into the discussion

776
00:37:06,650 --> 00:37:04,330
so each document is going to be the

777
00:37:09,630 --> 00:37:06,660
focus of a single hour-long webinar

778
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:09,640
given by some of the original authors to

779
00:37:16,410 --> 00:37:11,680
convey the community what they were

780
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:16,420
thinking that on the Monday before their

781
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:18,130
webinars the webinars are going to be on

782
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:21,010
Wednesdays and Thursdays the days in

783
00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:25,450
Thursday's on that Monday before we will

784
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:28,390
open up the documents for reading and

785
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:31,570
comments and these are comments not

786
00:37:37,740 --> 00:37:35,110
edits only the individuals will says

787
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:37,750
authors will be able to edit the

788
00:37:44,130 --> 00:37:40,890
document but everybody put a comment in

789
00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:44,140
authors will be able to resolve comments

790
00:37:48,180 --> 00:37:45,880
is the language of Google Docs which

791
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:48,190
we're using and of course existing

792
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:50,290
authors can invite other individuals to

793
00:37:56,730 --> 00:37:53,530
become new authors I encourage everybody

794
00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:56,740
before they start commenting to please

795
00:38:01,140 --> 00:37:58,570
go online and read the guidelines for

796
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:01,150
commenters we've written these to sort

797
00:38:07,020 --> 00:38:03,490
of control the process a little bit but

798
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:07,030
not too much the key guidelines are we

799
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:09,210
would prefer comments or not anonymous

800
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:12,910
we'd like you to login to Google as

801
00:38:16,980 --> 00:38:15,910
yourself um we'd like you to encourage

802
00:38:19,740 --> 00:38:16,990
you that the common should be on the

803
00:38:23,550 --> 00:38:19,750
point and created with the thought of

804
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:23,560
improving the document not just throwing

805
00:38:30,210 --> 00:38:26,650
some brick Bats comments can be of any

806
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:30,220
way from our point of view google docs

807
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:32,560
has its own view of that and basically

808
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:36,370
limits a comment to 2048 characters

809
00:38:44,070 --> 00:38:41,200
including spaces so if your comment is

810
00:38:46,890 --> 00:38:44,080
longer than that create a new Google Doc

811
00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:46,900
give it a name and refer to it in the

812
00:38:51,660 --> 00:38:49,260
comment in the original document I

813
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:51,670
really hope that everybody who chooses

814
00:38:55,260 --> 00:38:53,440
to comment will challenge the

815
00:38:57,780 --> 00:38:55,270
assumptions and the conclusions of these

816
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:57,790
documents in a professional manner when

817
00:39:02,130 --> 00:39:00,160
you start making comments please include

818
00:39:03,540 --> 00:39:02,140
relevant citations because we're altima

819
00:39:05,490 --> 00:39:03,550
tlie in the final doc you're going to

820
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:05,500
have to have them and if you've got some

821
00:39:09,450 --> 00:39:07,210
issue or issues that you're just too

822
00:39:12,060 --> 00:39:09,460
large to be easily contained in a set of

823
00:39:14,070 --> 00:39:12,070
comments um feel free to contact the

824
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:14,080
authors directly and enter into a

825
00:39:17,970 --> 00:39:15,510
conversation with them

826
00:39:20,460 --> 00:39:17,980
all comments should be written using

827
00:39:24,109 --> 00:39:20,470
standard American English grammar and

828
00:39:27,390 --> 00:39:24,119
spelling this is just a matter for

829
00:39:29,310 --> 00:39:27,400
consistency of usage and finally it's

830
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:29,320
something that I take very seriously is

831
00:39:34,650 --> 00:39:32,050
that comments that personally disparage

832
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:34,660
an author or any of the referenced

833
00:39:40,130 --> 00:39:36,880
researchers in that paper they'll be

834
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:40,140
deleted and any commenter who displays a

835
00:39:45,930 --> 00:39:43,359
pattern of this type of behavior will be

836
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:45,940
banned so far everybody's been very

837
00:39:52,410 --> 00:39:47,770
collegial and I really appreciate that

838
00:39:54,839 --> 00:39:52,420
I'd like it to remain that way so the

839
00:39:56,250 --> 00:39:54,849
we've scheduled the first for Michael we

840
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:56,260
do have one question about comments oh

841
00:40:02,430 --> 00:39:58,960
yeah to not put an anonymous comment one

842
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:02,440
needs a google account yes correct but

843
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:04,450
not necessarily gmail address not

844
00:40:07,470 --> 00:40:06,250
necessarily gmail address it'll come

845
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:07,480
with one but you need a google account

846
00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:10,450
me a google account yet so yes I'm

847
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:12,310
somehow putting money in Google's pocket

848
00:40:19,020 --> 00:40:15,310
and I apologize for that they got a lot

849
00:40:23,070 --> 00:40:19,030
of money already so thanks the lindsay

850
00:40:25,650 --> 00:40:23,080
hayes we've scheduled up the first 14

851
00:40:28,410 --> 00:40:25,660
webinars and i'm not going to read them

852
00:40:31,710 --> 00:40:28,420
all but basically starting next week and

853
00:40:33,450 --> 00:40:31,720
running through early november the

854
00:40:36,180 --> 00:40:33,460
titles of the documents to be discussed

855
00:40:38,750 --> 00:40:36,190
are on this in this slide and they set

856
00:40:41,010 --> 00:40:38,760
of slides and they're on the website and

857
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:41,020
its starting off next week with two of

858
00:40:44,820 --> 00:40:43,119
them the first about how's the evolution

859
00:40:46,380 --> 00:40:44,830
of the atmosphere and its interaction

860
00:40:48,450 --> 00:40:46,390
with the solid earth and the bio spoon

861
00:40:51,630 --> 00:40:48,460
form our exploration of habitable worlds

862
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:51,640
and the second one will be on 26 is one

863
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:53,170
of the sources of organic monomers

864
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:54,970
relevant to the arch of life and then

865
00:41:00,570 --> 00:40:58,050
there's a whole list of 12 more I

866
00:41:02,849 --> 00:41:00,580
encourage everybody who's interested to

867
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:02,859
come listen to them then comment and

868
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:06,160
discuss on them so after the webinar is

869
00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:09,609
what happens so assuming approximate

870
00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:13,990
dates this process of webinars and the

871
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:15,070
community reading and community

872
00:41:22,140 --> 00:41:18,130
commenting will extend to early mid

873
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:22,150
January of 2014 for about a month

874
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:24,160
thereafter we would the authors are

875
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:26,050
going to the author groups are going to

876
00:41:28,650 --> 00:41:28,210
meet either in person or virtually and

877
00:41:30,779 --> 00:41:28,660
they're going

878
00:41:33,450 --> 00:41:30,789
adjudicator the different comments and

879
00:41:36,299 --> 00:41:33,460
polish up there riding around that time

880
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:36,309
we're also going to engage the services

881
00:41:40,380 --> 00:41:38,650
of a professional technical editor so

882
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:40,390
that whatever final document we produce

883
00:41:46,049 --> 00:41:44,530
actually will look professional and a

884
00:41:48,029 --> 00:41:46,059
februari we're planning on having a no

885
00:41:50,220 --> 00:41:48,039
face-to-face workshop that will

886
00:41:52,380 --> 00:41:50,230
integrate all the papers and produce a

887
00:41:56,220 --> 00:41:52,390
more or less and I emphasize the more or

888
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:56,230
less coherent document and about a

889
00:42:00,720 --> 00:41:57,970
couple weeks after that we will have

890
00:42:03,299 --> 00:42:00,730
hopefully a first draft ready for review

891
00:42:06,299 --> 00:42:03,309
by any and all we are planning right now

892
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:06,309
on definitely having the planetary

893
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:07,569
science subcommittee of the nasa

894
00:42:13,859 --> 00:42:11,049
advisory council provide a formal review

895
00:42:16,890 --> 00:42:13,869
and we are exploring other options for

896
00:42:20,130 --> 00:42:16,900
other formal reviews our target is

897
00:42:23,730 --> 00:42:20,140
middle of april of 2014 to have a final

898
00:42:25,799 --> 00:42:23,740
draft ready for publication there is one

899
00:42:26,910 --> 00:42:25,809
more more of a comment and a question it

900
00:42:28,260 --> 00:42:26,920
would be good to create a google

901
00:42:29,700 --> 00:42:28,270
calendar with all the webinars and

902
00:42:32,490 --> 00:42:29,710
meetings it can then be easily imported

903
00:42:37,799 --> 00:42:32,500
on personal accounts good idea we will

904
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:37,809
take care of that so this is another

905
00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:41,200
version of the network diagram that Eric

906
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,200
so eloquently spoke about this is where

907
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:46,240
it stood them back in June and since

908
00:42:50,220 --> 00:42:48,730
we've started talking with the author

909
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:50,230
group so you've had a couple of small

910
00:42:56,609 --> 00:42:53,200
changes that have happened the changes

911
00:43:01,049 --> 00:42:56,619
are essentially in green here so if I

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00:43:06,359 --> 00:43:01,059
put back and forth tanase you see my

913
00:43:08,490 --> 00:43:06,369
cursor at all no I guess yes ok so these

914
00:43:10,769 --> 00:43:08,500
two papers down here that essentially

915
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,779
were about two different approaches to

916
00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:12,400
minimal life either building from the

917
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:15,670
ground up synthetically or reductively

918
00:43:21,210 --> 00:43:18,130
by throwing out things from modern life

919
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:21,220
we've come combined into simply what is

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00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:22,930
the simplest life look for look like

921
00:43:32,250 --> 00:43:30,490
sorry up here would you know metabolic

922
00:43:34,620 --> 00:43:32,260
and ecological features characterized

923
00:43:37,019 --> 00:43:34,630
Luca Luca being the last Universal

924
00:43:39,269 --> 00:43:37,029
common ancestor and then what genomic

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00:43:40,770 --> 00:43:39,279
metabolic an ecological features

926
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:40,780
characterized life at the

927
00:43:44,370 --> 00:43:42,490
The Tree of Life well the root of the

928
00:43:47,370 --> 00:43:44,380
tree life is considered is by definition

929
00:43:48,750 --> 00:43:47,380
in some sense Luca so they've gotten

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00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:48,760
combined and do what you know event of

931
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:51,090
all ideological features characterized

932
00:43:59,220 --> 00:43:55,770
Luca up here in this area some of these

933
00:44:02,490 --> 00:43:59,230
papers and concepts have gotten combined

934
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:02,500
together the other big area where we've

935
00:44:08,250 --> 00:44:06,490
had a lot of changes is out here in what

936
00:44:10,140 --> 00:44:08,260
I call the formation of habitability and

937
00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:10,150
Eric had a much better term for it but

938
00:44:18,810 --> 00:44:15,790
basically there were therefore there's a

939
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:18,820
dual dual die-cut emerges dual dichotomy

940
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:22,210
up here papers having to do with in our

941
00:44:26,940 --> 00:44:24,370
solar system versus at outside of our

942
00:44:29,490 --> 00:44:26,950
solar system whether a planet or

943
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:29,500
environment is habitable or actually

944
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:33,490
inhabited and rather than have multiple

945
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:35,770
papers covering this we decided to

946
00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:39,040
combine some papers so we now have how

947
00:44:43,020 --> 00:44:41,110
do we find and remotely identify

948
00:44:44,970 --> 00:44:43,030
habitable or inhabited planets around

949
00:44:48,210 --> 00:44:44,980
other stars which is the extra solar

950
00:44:50,430 --> 00:44:48,220
question how would we search for life in

951
00:44:52,110 --> 00:44:50,440
on other worlds in our solar system

952
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:52,120
which is the inhabited in our solar

953
00:44:56,610 --> 00:44:54,450
system and then how can we identify

954
00:44:59,220 --> 00:44:56,620
habitable environments in our solar

955
00:45:02,940 --> 00:44:59,230
system so those bunch of papers kind of

956
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:02,950
got collapsed there's also a new one on

957
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:05,680
did life or prebiotic chemistry evolve

958
00:45:12,570 --> 00:45:10,570
on differentiated icy worlds and finally

959
00:45:14,250 --> 00:45:12,580
what is the geophysical evolutionary

960
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:14,260
history of terrestrial planets of

961
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,570
different sizes and compositions this is

962
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:18,400
a new one that's been suggested to us as

963
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:22,810
a gap essentially about terrestrial

964
00:45:26,820 --> 00:45:24,850
planets and how do they get the way they

965
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:26,830
are since those the ones we know for

966
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:29,920
life this is where it is today if you

967
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:32,170
come back and look at this diagram in a

968
00:45:37,410 --> 00:45:34,090
week or two it could very well be

969
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:37,420
different we are going to come up with a

970
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:39,520
facility for the community to modify

971
00:45:44,970 --> 00:45:41,650
this diagram and save their own versions

972
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:44,980
but we're not there yet mostly because

973
00:45:50,130 --> 00:45:47,440
we really want people to focus on the

974
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:50,140
documents and not on the bright shiny

975
00:46:01,579 --> 00:45:57,700
so that's pretty much where I'm done I

976
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:01,589
am happy to answer any questions by chat

977
00:46:11,780 --> 00:46:05,970
or by email or any which way so that's

978
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:11,790
it for me so just what we're waiting for

979
00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:14,160
people have a chance to to ask questions

980
00:46:21,859 --> 00:46:17,640
on that let me elaborate slightly on the

981
00:46:25,819 --> 00:46:21,869
commenting process so first of all we're

982
00:46:27,799 --> 00:46:25,829
going to run the first few concept

983
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:27,809
papers through a fairly simple process

984
00:46:32,930 --> 00:46:31,290
which is they will be available at the

985
00:46:35,180 --> 00:46:32,940
beginning of the week they're presenting

986
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:35,190
on although if you go to the website now

987
00:46:40,609 --> 00:46:38,010
you'll actually see that that three of

988
00:46:43,220 --> 00:46:40,619
them are there too but they're available

989
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:43,230
in read-only mode so the basic process

990
00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:46,050
we're going to try is the papers will be

991
00:46:51,740 --> 00:46:48,660
there in read-only mode after the

992
00:46:53,420 --> 00:46:51,750
webinar it then switches to comment mode

993
00:46:55,309 --> 00:46:53,430
so after you've had a chance to listen

994
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:55,319
to what people are saying and will

995
00:47:00,829 --> 00:46:57,690
encourage you to comment them what we

996
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:00,839
don't know is whether the Google

997
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:04,770
commenting system will be effective

998
00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:06,930
enough to allow the authors and the rest

999
00:47:11,870 --> 00:47:09,510
of the community to really understand

1000
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:11,880
the comments and to engage in that

1001
00:47:17,180 --> 00:47:14,640
discussion or whether it will look like

1002
00:47:19,250 --> 00:47:17,190
an explosion in a post it note factory

1003
00:47:21,410 --> 00:47:19,260
where there are comments everywhere and

1004
00:47:23,660 --> 00:47:21,420
it's difficult to follow so we have to

1005
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:23,670
try the simplest possible approach first

1006
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:27,450
if that proves to be difficult or if the

1007
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:30,170
community come back and say actually the

1008
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:32,130
conversations that we want to have need

1009
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:34,650
to be more expansive and threaded than

1010
00:47:40,270 --> 00:47:37,680
this then we will associate each paper

1011
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:40,280
with a discussion thread on the website

1012
00:47:46,130 --> 00:47:43,680
the only downside to that is it becomes

1013
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:46,140
harder for the authors to crack back the

1014
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,490
comment that you're making in a

1015
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,680
discussion thread with the specific

1016
00:47:52,970 --> 00:47:51,359
elements that they're writing so we're

1017
00:47:57,289 --> 00:47:52,980
we undertake the simplest possible

1018
00:47:59,180 --> 00:47:57,299
approach first and see how that works so

1019
00:48:01,730 --> 00:47:59,190
basic approach prior to the webinar

1020
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:01,740
you'll be able to read post the webinar

1021
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:04,000
you'll be able to comment and

1022
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:06,310
if necessary you'll be it will set up a

1023
00:48:11,930 --> 00:48:09,250
threat there is also the discussion

1024
00:48:15,330 --> 00:48:11,940
thread particularly for the concept

1025
00:48:18,060 --> 00:48:15,340
diagram the spider diagram which eric

1026
00:48:21,090 --> 00:48:18,070
said are and that might be a good place

1027
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,100
if you want to talk about aspects that

1028
00:48:25,350 --> 00:48:23,280
you feel a missing from it or

1029
00:48:28,170 --> 00:48:25,360
alternative ways of structuring it

1030
00:48:32,970 --> 00:48:28,180
that's already there so by all means add

1031
00:48:35,130 --> 00:48:32,980
to that discussion thread so Michael

1032
00:48:39,780 --> 00:48:35,140
there are the questions we've got one

1033
00:48:45,060 --> 00:48:39,790
from Aaron on there if we can respond to

1034
00:48:47,130 --> 00:48:45,070
that sure so Aaron no I'll ask one thing

1035
00:48:48,690 --> 00:48:47,140
that was in the chat rooms but not

1036
00:48:51,150 --> 00:48:48,700
mentioned here are documents about

1037
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:51,160
missions under technology development

1038
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:52,960
priorities or desires has this been

1039
00:48:57,870 --> 00:48:55,570
deliberately left off and left out

1040
00:48:59,940 --> 00:48:57,880
excuse me and the short answer that I

1041
00:49:03,390 --> 00:48:59,950
was typing to Aaron is yeah we have

1042
00:49:05,820 --> 00:49:03,400
deliberately left this out this ultimate

1043
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:05,830
document is intended to be a science

1044
00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:08,490
strategy as opposed to an actual

1045
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:10,630
implementation document that says do

1046
00:49:16,830 --> 00:49:12,730
these missions develop this instrument

1047
00:49:20,310 --> 00:49:16,840
build this technology why because as

1048
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:20,320
we've seen recently implementation

1049
00:49:27,390 --> 00:49:23,290
documents about missions and instruments

1050
00:49:30,660 --> 00:49:27,400
and technologies are very very dependent

1051
00:49:32,430 --> 00:49:30,670
on budget and if the budget changes

1052
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:32,440
suddenly then all of a sudden we're

1053
00:49:36,270 --> 00:49:34,570
holding a document that says do XY and z

1054
00:49:38,850 --> 00:49:36,280
and we have the money to do none of the

1055
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:38,860
above or one of the above or house with

1056
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:42,880
you or half of the above and that's not

1057
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:44,890
a good document that's going to live

1058
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:46,690
very long and we want this document to

1059
00:49:52,890 --> 00:49:50,530
loot for at least a decade so Mary and I

1060
00:49:55,020 --> 00:49:52,900
decided that this will be a science

1061
00:49:58,290 --> 00:49:55,030
strategy or the big science questions

1062
00:50:02,300 --> 00:49:58,300
how they interrelate and if we need to

1063
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:02,310
start doing mission planning or

1064
00:50:08,010 --> 00:50:04,810
technology prioritization we will then

1065
00:50:09,870 --> 00:50:08,020
use that science strategy to spin up a

1066
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:09,880
group that will then take that and turn

1067
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:13,010
that into set a priority to turn it into

1068
00:50:18,550 --> 00:50:16,250
a roadmap for build this then build that

1069
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:18,560
then build the other thing that's the

1070
00:50:24,550 --> 00:50:23,210
answer to that question and well a

1071
00:50:26,050 --> 00:50:24,560
couple of other people are tightening

1072
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:26,060
their mother looks let me just remind

1073
00:50:32,140 --> 00:50:29,450
you that if you want to actually ask a

1074
00:50:37,450 --> 00:50:32,150
question and and talk all you have to do

1075
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,460
is click the button at the top top part

1076
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:39,440
of your screen over here with the little

1077
00:50:48,100 --> 00:50:44,000
hand and Mike will open up the the audio

1078
00:51:01,380 --> 00:50:48,110
line for you just in case anyone prefers

1079
00:51:06,250 --> 00:51:03,760
although there is something of a sort of

1080
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:06,260
old-fashioned movie quality to this it's

1081
00:51:11,290 --> 00:51:08,210
a bit like watching the ticker tape come

1082
00:51:13,540 --> 00:51:11,300
out as you see people are typing the

1083
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:13,550
treasure is buried in we lost the

1084
00:51:20,020 --> 00:51:18,290
connection I actually was just thinking

1085
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:20,030
about how I miss the old days a chat

1086
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:21,920
windows where you'd actually see each

1087
00:51:35,020 --> 00:51:25,730
letter coming up and then I the typos

1088
00:51:37,330 --> 00:51:35,030
and then the back isn't fixing it have

1089
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:37,340
fun so Aaron is asked to name it on this

1090
00:51:40,359 --> 00:51:38,720
round but he would like to see it

1091
00:51:42,359 --> 00:51:40,369
realistic but not explicitly cost

1092
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:42,369
constraint top 5 wish list of

1093
00:51:56,770 --> 00:51:47,359
astrobiology specific missions um it

1094
00:52:00,540 --> 00:51:56,780
could be fun uh yeah you definitely try

1095
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:00,550
to do that over beers one night a

1096
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:03,730
community-wide voting on that as well

1097
00:52:28,690 --> 00:52:08,810
the beer or the mission two separate

1098
00:52:33,579 --> 00:52:30,849
yeah we'd love to hear your voices so

1099
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:33,589
you know please think about raising your

1100
00:53:18,190 --> 00:52:35,599
hand and talking rather than putting

1101
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:30,150
your date attack

1102
00:53:35,500 --> 00:53:32,590
fabulous asked a question or comment it

1103
00:53:38,290 --> 00:53:35,510
seems to me that other people who would

1104
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:38,300
be precious to shape astrobiology in the

1105
00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:39,770
future of those involved information

1106
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:42,710
management database creation etc the

1107
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:43,970
huge amount of interdisciplinary

1108
00:53:47,590 --> 00:53:45,920
information that astrobiology creates

1109
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:47,600
the new way to access it and make it

1110
00:53:51,610 --> 00:53:49,010
available to the scientific community

1111
00:53:54,820 --> 00:53:51,620
and the public is this a subject that

1112
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:54,830
has been discussed I don't know if it's

1113
00:54:00,190 --> 00:53:57,850
been discussed in this activity it is a

1114
00:54:03,150 --> 00:54:00,200
an issue that's near and dear to my

1115
00:54:09,550 --> 00:54:03,160
heart and to marry boy Tex and we are

1116
00:54:13,090 --> 00:54:09,560
once this science strategy gets put to

1117
00:54:14,530 --> 00:54:13,100
bed and then the the new competition for

1118
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:14,540
membership in the astrobiology institute

1119
00:54:19,330 --> 00:54:17,810
gets completed very high on our list of

1120
00:54:21,390 --> 00:54:19,340
things to do will be actually that

1121
00:54:23,830 --> 00:54:21,400
discussion about the kinds of databases

1122
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:23,840
and data management systems that

1123
00:54:28,750 --> 00:54:26,210
astrobiology needs this is also an

1124
00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:28,760
ongoing conversation in other parts of

1125
00:54:36,430 --> 00:54:33,710
the scientific world because we have Jia

1126
00:54:40,690 --> 00:54:36,440
Greta your chemistry databases like Pico

1127
00:54:47,230 --> 00:54:40,700
dimo we have molecular biology databases

1128
00:54:48,790 --> 00:54:47,240
like the PVV we have other databases for

1129
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:48,800
other kinds of information but we have

1130
00:54:55,660 --> 00:54:51,170
no database system or even approach that

1131
00:54:57,940 --> 00:54:55,670
links geochemistry biology paleontology

1132
00:55:00,000 --> 00:54:57,950
links them all together in one way and

1133
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:00,010
so that's definitely something that

1134
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:01,970
astrobiology probably needs right now

1135
00:55:12,930 --> 00:55:04,130
and something that Mary and I are going

1136
00:55:18,670 --> 00:55:16,000
welcome okay lost lost two or three

1137
00:55:21,940 --> 00:55:18,680
minutes of our current session if anyone

1138
00:55:24,010 --> 00:55:21,950
wants to type a question or if anyone

1139
00:55:26,980 --> 00:55:24,020
wants us to unmute the phone line and

1140
00:55:29,620 --> 00:55:26,990
you actually ask a question obviously

1141
00:55:33,940 --> 00:55:29,630
you can carry on the discussions on the

1142
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:33,950
website and there is a home for each of

1143
00:55:38,830 --> 00:55:36,530
these particularly say if it relates to

1144
00:55:40,750 --> 00:55:38,840
Michael's presentation then you can just

1145
00:55:46,030 --> 00:55:40,760
take your question on to the discussion

1146
00:55:48,660 --> 00:55:46,040
throughout their apart from that I think

1147
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:48,670
we're probably done at this stage so

1148
00:55:55,930 --> 00:55:51,250
thank you very much to our presenters

1149
00:56:00,520 --> 00:55:55,940
our next sessions will be wednesday and

1150
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:00,530
thursday of next week and that assuming

1151
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:02,330
it's going to work for everyone's

1152
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:04,130
calendars those will be the days that

1153
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:06,410
will be using every week for these slots

1154
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:09,730
we will sort out a calendar that you can

1155
00:56:15,970 --> 00:56:13,520
import and also all of the dates will be

1156
00:56:20,500 --> 00:56:15,980
published on the astrobiology website

1157
00:56:23,650 --> 00:56:20,510
along with the dial-in information that

1158
00:56:25,420 --> 00:56:23,660
i think is about it so thank you very